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In the Presence of Unconditional Love

This is a veridical near death experience because the patient's account was accurate to what actual happened in the emergency room. The doctors and staff verifide the account given by the patient after he regained consciousness. Dr. Bruce Greyson collects this type of near death experience, he has videos on YouTube that are very interesting. Email Ken



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Question about Near Death Experiences.

Question: Just wanted to relate a personal experience. I used to be a 100% skeptic, but this happened to me and now I am more open and I am looking for the truth. Please let me know your thoughts.

I am an emergency room nurse. About a year ago we received a patient by ambulance in full cardiorespiratory arrest. No pulse, no effective cardiac rhythm (refractory ventricular fibrillation). Patient had been in arrest for at least 15 minutes prior to arrival. CPR/ACLS in progress on arrival. To make a long story short, we worked him for about 25 minutes without positive response. The physician in charge stated that we would defibrillate one more time and if no response we would stop. One last shock, and his heart converted to a beating rhythm, and continued to improve from there, later being admitted to intensive care. AT NO POINT DURING HIS STAY IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM WAS HE CONSCIOUS. Most of the time he was technically dead.

The next day, one of the ICU nurses called down and told us the patient wanted to see several of the ER staff. He named several of us by name, and described us to the ICU nurses. He said he wanted to see us in person "to make sure he wasn't going crazy".

During a slow time later that night we went upstairs and he called us by name without introductions. He told a story of floating out of his body, just below the ceiling, watching us attempt resuscitation. He said he knew our names from when we called out to each other while working on him. One thing I found especially fascinating was that he said when we defibrillated (shocked) him, he would be pulled back into his body for a few seconds, then end up back floating by the ceiling a few seconds after. The last time we defibbed him he was pulled back in and became unconscious. At this point he had a pulse and improved.

We have talked quite a bit about it here. Some of the staff think maybe he was actually semi-conscious the whole time, his brain remaining oxygenated and at least partly functional due to effective CPR. Something akin to anesthetized surgical patients retaining the sense of hearing and being able to relate the conversations of the operating team after they have been awakened.

Others in the group here believe it was a NDE. We reason that this would explain the out-of-body viewpoint and the retention of sight and cognitive abilities by the patient even though he was to all intents and purposes dead when we were together in the ER. There is no other way he could have known our names, either, as his family was not allowed in the room during the resuscitation.

None of us have any experience in this matter and when I stumbled on this newsgroup I thought I'd post and see what you all thought.

Answer: He learned that this kind of experience had been posted many times in this group. For those who may think the patient was semi-conscious and listening, please note the author states: "He named several of us by name, and described us to the ICU nurses." His physical eyes were closed during resuscitation and didn’t open until the patient regained consciousness. This question is quoted from a near death experience newsgroup with the permission of the author. He was directed to NDE accounts for further reading.


Can Ketamine or other drugs cause NDEs.

Question: If Ketamine doesn't induce NDEs then what does it do. The subjects who take this drug do see light, feel loved, and experience other NDE-like events. Can you explain why this happens?

Answer: Yes. We are spiritual consciousnesses enjoying a physical life created for the purpose of self learning. Picture yourself standing on the edge of two dimensions. One spiritual and the other physical. If you look outward from your physical body (which is only a communication tool) you will focus in the physical dimension. If you look inward through the physical body you will focus in the spiritual dimension. Christians will remember reading when Jesus was asked where the Kingdom of God was, He replied: "The Kingdom of God is within you". Unfortunately, many are focused so intensely in the physical that they no longer feel or believe in the spiritual. However, when the physical body malfunctions or dies, the focus returns to the spiritual dimension which is home.

If you direct your point of consciousness inward and hold it there. After a time, the physical world will begin to fade, dimmer and dimmer. Eventually you will see the light and feel the love that NDEers do. You may also meet deceased friends and experience other NDE-like events. You will have entered the fringe of the spiritual dimension. This process, I have described, is called meditation. Meditation is the safest, most reliable way to visit the spiritual dimension, and there are many, many varieties of it. If you read the literature on meditation you will find an abundance of NDE-like events mentioned. In fact, some Yogi masters warn their students to ignore the lights, and things they may see because they believe it is a distraction from the purity of the meditation.

However, meditation has one very large drawback. It may take many months, even years of daily practice to learn how to lower the physical senses (focus) to the degree necessary to experience the spiritual dimension. And, for one reason or another, some practitioners are never able to reach the spiritual. So, over the centuries, man has devised, invented and discovered shortcut methods.

These methods included anything that could diminish, or fade the physical senses. Sweatlodges, dancing in circles for hours, staring into crystal balls, watching pendulums swing, and of course a wide assortment of drugs. Peyote, loco weed, hash, opium, DMT, and now Ketamine. The drug Ketamine, along with numerous others, diminishes, lowers the physical senses (focus) of man and allows the spiritual dimension to be experienced. The real NDE is caused by the death of the body which temporarily cancels ALL physical focus, thereby producing the intense spiritual experience that it is. A severe warning about drugs is needed here. The use of drugs to enter the world of spirit can be very dangerous for those who are unprepared emotionally for the trip. The results can be disasterous to the personality of the individual.

In summary: the world of spirit is alive and well. The drug Ketamine, and any others that may be developed in the future, only allows the spiritual experience, and does not cause it. The Near Death Experience is very real, and is, exactly what it appears to be: man encountering his Creator at the time of his physical death. The NDE is a wake-up call. It is time to return to our roots of Love, and Compassion for ourselves and others.


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